Friday, 12 October 2012

i-FERN scam or not?

i-fern scam or not
i-fern scam or not

Have you heard of Fern C? The 9 year old MLM comapny selling vitamin C supplement in the Philippines? Well now, at the time of this writing they launched a new company called I-fern or Fern international. This new company now sells 4 products namely FERN D ( vitamin D supplement), MilkCa (calcium supplement), FERN-Activ ( a multivitamin) and Aurora (a facial cream).

The people behind the company

I went to the company's website to get the details, here it is below:

Tom Manny Tan
President and CEO 

Hannah D. Crisostomo
Vice president for Business Development and Marketing

Ma. Lourdez C. Corpuz
Vice president for corporate human resources and
Organizational Development

Eddie O. Senturias
Vice President for Network Operations

Romulo M. Garcia Jr.
Vice president for Information Technology

Jesusa Ortiz-Villavito
Vice President for finance

Companys address:
Northon & Harrison Compound
Sheridan Street Corner Pines Street
Mandaluyong City
Metro Manila
Philippines

Compensation Plan

There are 6 ways to earn in i-FERN

1. The Retail Profit
Earn up to 40% of the retail price
2. Fast Start Commissions
Receive up to $45 for your direct referrals depending on the package they purchase
3. Team Sales Commission
Earn $25 for every cycle you make and as much as $14,000 if you reach a certain sales volume.
4. Matching Bonus
As you earn Team Sales Commissions they are matched  and you earn more. It also increases as you move up in rank.
5. Group Sales Rebate
Earned monthly from the reorders made by your sales team up to 12 levels deep under the 3x12 matrix structure. Increases as you move up in rank.
6. Global Pool Bonus
Earn via the company's profit sharing.
3% o the company's global monthly global sales are are allotted for this.
 
This pay plan is without a doubt a lucrative one, but I still have my reservations. I think this doesn't solve the inherent problem with MLM/Networking which is the market saturation end game. The usual question of what happens to the bottom of the pyramid when almost everybody is already a member and there is no one to be recruited or sell to still remains.

If I were to change this compensation plan I would greatly reward those who are at the bottom because those that are on top are more likely rich by that time, on vacation and is not doing anything for the company anymore. Why not reward those who are working hard to promote the company?
Those who are on the streets giving flyers, those who are bugging family and friends to share the business opportunity of company and those who are online 24/7 writing blogs, adding as many friends on facebook and posting on every classified ads they can find on the internet. If only I am the CEO of this company at least I will give those bottom dwellers the Global Bonus Pool that is 50% of the company's net profit. Unfortunately, not everyone really cares about one another these days, its all about me me me.

My FAQ

We do not have a lot of history about i-FERN as it is just a newly launched company at this time of writing. But, we have FERN-C. The company FERN-C is 9 yrs old and is also run by the same people. It must have some kind of a track record already that we can check, and it is the best company to study to get information about  i-FERN's history. The most popular issues with FERN-C are the deceptive sales presentations of their distributors, unscientific testimonial claims and the true facts about the alkaline diet (for the full discussion on this topic regarding fern-c read http://paetechie.blogspot.com/2008/02/fern-c-sodium-ascorbate-alkaline-diet.html).
The questions now are this:
1. Can these issues of bad business practices be avoided in this new company?
2. What are the steps i-FERN are making to make sure this would not happen again?
3. Are they even making any precautions to avoid these problems?

Another thing that I can not help noticing are their products.The first one I have to mention is FERN-D, a Vitamin D supplement. For me it is the most ridiculous product. Vitamin D is normally acquired from sunshine that is totally FREE and abundant. In the Philippines we are NEVER out of it. Why would I pay a premium price when I could get my vitamin D for free and is easily available everywhere?  Why would I deviate from the natural way of getting my vitamin D to a synthetic supplement? Okay, maybe some people have abnormalities that they can not synthesize vitamin D in their skin but how many are these people? Do you think this product can easily be sold honestly?

The next worse product for me is the MilkCa "calcium from milk". It is just made from milk. What is so special about it? Why not just drink fresh milk? It will save you lots of money and keeps you away from the chemicals used to process it in a capsule form. The advertisement says "the goodness of milk in a capsule". How can milk be any good in a capsule? Many of us enjoys drinking milk, mostly kids, and also adults loves to put it in their tea or coffee. Why would it be good to encapsulate something we drink with pleasure?
If that is the case then big companies like San Miguel Beer and Coca Cola should be thinking of making their beverage available in capsule form.

For FERN-Active and Aurora the concern here is how competitive are these products to those that are available on retail stores. For aurora, Is this a unique one of its kind skin cream product? how does it compare via performance and price to a popular beauty creams like Belo products? For the multivitamin FERN activ, the competition is a lot tougher. There are a lot of heavy contenders out there like, Revicon, Enervon and Centrum. How will FERN-Activ be compared to them in terms of price and potency?

After these findings I would like to ask, did i-FERN really make a feasibility study of their product? Did they focus more about their product and not on the networking recruiting part?

Disclaimer

Be it clear that the article above are my thoughts that is a result of my own research, critical thinking and common sense. This is not an accusation but is just my opinion and questions. I am not a professional in any field so this article may not be treated as such.

If you wish to add a point, correct/suggest an edit, agree or disagree with me. Your valuable comments are welcome below.

Is i-FERN scam or not?

67 comments:

  1. Doctors Encounter12 October 2012 21:51

    I am a renal doctor by profession.
    I was approached by one of these distributors of fern C before and he started talking to me about whole body getting acidic and that his vitamin C is alkaline and will help neutralize the acid in my blood. He did not know I am a doctor and I do not want to shame anyone so I just walk away. For the peoples information. The only PH that will be affected by food or drink will be your urine. The blood and any organs in the body regulates its own PH levels. Any changes in acidity or alkalinity in them is very dangerous and lethal. When you eat your food it is always acidic in the stomach and alkaline in the intestines. This is normal and those so called alkaline vitamin C is pointless.

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    1. Hi doc, i understand exactly were you're coming from. But believe it or not vitamin c especially sodium ascorbate is very beneficial to the body. I have meet many doctors who believes that vit c is essential to our body. Even my dentist gives vit c/ sodium ascorbate to her patients after extraction or operaton because she found out that it help in healing process. I myself take vit c whenever i feel i catching a cold or flu. And vit c have wide array of clinical studies that proves it helps cure scurvy.

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    2. Dont mislead the readers. You are talking about the benefits of vitamin C. That is very far from the issue above. Address the issue about that shameful Fern C distributors doing bad business practice. scaring people by telling myths just to make a sale. For me, telling wrong information in medicine is very serious, this can be dangerous to peoples health. That is why being a doctor takes 8-10 years. A mistake can cause someones life!

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    3. I was referring to the doctors comment about vit c and not above how the individual distributors handles their business. Lots of opportunists are out there and taking advantage of the companies who's intentions are to help others but of course gaining profit from it too. It doesnt mean that everybody in fern is doing bad practice. You may not believe in the benefits of vitamins especially vit c but for me it sure helped my family alot. Maybe you should do your own research about vit c. And for your info many doctors (pedia, dentist, cardio and gps) are already prescribibg vit c (sodium ascorbate) not just fern c as well as other sodium ascorbate. As for i fern as a business well just like any other networking you have to work it out to earn.

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    4. It seems you have a very poor comprehension. Please omit benefits of vitamin C, Nobody is against that. We know Vitamins are important and it is not the issue. as per the doctors comment, I think it is clear he/she is referring to the dodgy distributors claim that "Alkaline Vitamin C" is cure for your whole body getting acid. Not Vitamin C itself. Please get your logic straight.

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  2. What the HECK!!! Why such company ever exist with a low quality of products like that!!! Anyhow I'm not sure if that company would ever last for a year!!! Damn them for deceiving people!

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    1. I agree with ashlee

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    2. The company will not last for a year?? Really?? Then prove to us that by Aug. 10, 2013, the company is already close.

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    3. For your information Miss Ashlee Wilson before posting such conclusive comments, why don't you do a little research? I-fern HAS already turned 1 year and is continuing their service. FERN itself lasted for 10 years and is NOW THE LEADING VITAMIN C HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES which is the first time in the history of Philippines where the leading Vitamin C Brand came from a network marketing company and not from a Pharmaceutical Company. It is even now the Official Vitamin Sponsor of PBA.Fern C started out in the network marketing business but NOW it is officially distributed to every PHARMACEUTICAL STORES NATIONWIDE. These Pharmaceutical drugstores initiatively reached out to the company. IF YOU ARE THAT DOUBTFUL, PLS DO A LOITTLE RESEARCH. GOOGLE IS FREE, WHY NOT USE IT?

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    4. Why not Search Where the product came from,..Anyhow DSM switzerland nad GLANBIA USA are the main producers and about the fern D ur saying we could get vit. D from d sun and thats very much true,.. but come to think of it we could only get good vit d from 6am till 8 am and sometimes 7 is too hot already,..would you stay under the sun that long plus we stay indoors all the time due to work,.. plus it is a fact that in our country alone Filipinos are Vit D deficient meaning we have a weak immune system which Vit D enhances,..

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  3. Bakit kaya maraming tao ang nagcocomment pa ng hindi nagsasaliksik ng todo? Kung may mga tanong ka sa isip mo, ask around. approach a distributor and then verify it sa internet. hindi yang puputak ka kaagad dyan. Baka magulat ka pa sa malalaman mo. Marami talagang papansin na blogger sa mundo. kung may balak kang ipromote wag kang mnira ng kumpanya.

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    1. Good day and thank you for the comment,

      That is exactly what I did, I research as much as I can and I make my opinions based on it. And as you said I am a Blogger, it is what I do, express my honest thoughts and opinions, If it has a bad effect on a company I do not care, It is what I see, I can not write what I do not see or make illogical opinions based on presented facts, Besides its only my opinions not in any way an accusation.

      If they do not want people to say something negative then they should not do negative things.

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    2. Maybe po kasi you expressed your opinions in a negative way, international fern, meaning hindi lang po sa pilipinas, as for fern-d, sabi mo po di kailangan sa pilipinas kasi tropical country tayo. May point ka dun pero pano naman yung mga nasa ibang bansa na kulang sa vit. D?
      At saka po, sa tingin ko lang ha, kulang pa po ang research nyo, di naman kasi to aaprubahan ng FDA kung alam nilang may negative effect to sa tao.

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  4. Hey buddy..
    If i-fern is scam as the company is back-up by FERN,Inc and it is 9years in the Philippine as MLM Company. Consequently, all of its products are made from DSM of Switzerland, and FERN-C is the number 1 vitamin C in the Philippines this year 2012. Among the FOUR products - 3-products - FERN-C, FERN i-flex and FERNCoffee Attainined the Superbrands Status for 2012! Click here for info.

    FernSlim was Awarded -Philippine Super Brands on 2008.

    FERN,Inc is member of DSAP - (Direct Selling Association of the Philippines). See here.

    Moreover, FERN-President and CEO Tommany Tan was awarded as ERNST and Young's 2012 Emerging Entreprenuer of the year... Info here.

    Therefore, FERN-Business is a legitimate business..
    To join in the Company they have a rich compensation plan.. And we our now an International Company -the INTERNATIONAL FERN or i-fern. (Pls Contact 09196578960 - Ardie). . . We have 1 million member as of 2011...

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    1. Ang problema yung mga claims at turo nyo na hinde makatotohanan. ikapapahamak ng mga tao.

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    2. Hindi naman po kasi magpopost ng proofs yan kung hindi makatotohanan, at saka ipapahamak ng tao? Ang alin? Ang products? Bakit in the first place magiging fda approved yang mga products kung alam nilang ikakapahamak ng tao?

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    3. So yung distributor ng i-fern na nagsasabi acidic daw ang dugo natin at kelengan natin ng alkaline vit C, totoo o hinde?

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    4. tangina nyong lahat. makapagsalita akala nyo alam nyo lahat. Punta kayo sa office ng Fern at I-Fern at bakit hindi nyo imbestigahan? May diamond tour doon kung san nyo makakausap ang mismong CEO at President ng kumpanya?

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    5. May diamond tour pang nalalaman... :-) peace

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  5. yung fern-d kelangan ba dito sa pinas, meron ba ditong tao sa pinas na hindi naarawan.

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    1. kya nga nakakatawa eh.. haha..

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    2. As far as i know for us to benefit from the sun's rays (vit d) you have to expose yourself naked under the heat if the sun. Do we do that? Can we do that? We dont even want to feel the heat of the sun. Another thing is the uktraviolet rays, with this climate change we are no longer sure if its still safe to expose ourselves under the heat of the sun. Base on stat just last summer how many people died of heat stroke? Anyway, vit D is not compulsary or any other vitamins because its still up to you if you want to be healthy or not. If you think you dont need vit d
      Its up to you. Actually we have to thank fern inc because they made vit d available in the market at a very reasonable price. Some people needs vit D supplement and now its made available.

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    3. That is poorly as far as you know. The synthesis of vitamin D is possible with any part of your skin even just extending your arm outside the window. Telling people that exposing yourself naked under the sun is the only way to get Vitamin D is just a sales pitch of a snake oil salesman, a scammer. Also, the risk of skin cancer caused by the sun among Filipinos are rare. It is only a real risk if you are Caucasian. Heat stroke is caused by heat, temperature. Here we are talking about light. Not only is the Philippines a tropical country rich of sunlight but it is also an archipelago, We are surrounded by water and we have FISH!! A good source of Vitamin D is fish oils. Have you heard of tuna? how about sardines? even those canned sardines have vitamin D. How about Beef liver? Egg yolks? Is that diet not common among us Filipinos? Dont say we dont need vitamin D, that is very misleading. What we dont need is Vitamin D supplement like FERN C is selling because we are getting more than enough every day FOR FREE!!!

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    4. Meron! ung mga nasa call center! tanga mo naman. Meron ngang takot na takot maarawan eh. hahaha. nakakatawa kayo. Kaya hindi kayo umuunlad kasi you do not see the opportunity! MGA BULAG AT MGA TANGA!

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  6. yup, the sun is not the only source of vit d but my reply was in response to the comment "meron ba dito sa pinas na hindi naaarawan". there are other sources of vit D, just like you said in fish, egg, etc...the question is can everyone eat these food without adverse effects in their health? not everyone can eat egg, like me I have allergies in egg, chicken and seafoods. i also have lactose intolerance so i dont drink milk or eat cheese. my uric acid is also very high so i cant eat liver. we are filipinos and we have dark complexion we have to expose our body wearing shorts and tank top for at least 15 to 20 minutes and that is direct sunlight. and we don't even want our faces exposed in the sun how can we benefit from the sun then? not to mention the sweet smell of the polluted air around us. and the best time to expose our body is earlier than 7:00am. i dont think we can do it. as per DOH we should avoid sun's exposure 9:00am to 2:00pm since this is the hottest time . vit D supplements were made to give us another choice other than the available sources of vit D out in the market without the hassle. heat stroke is cause by heat and the heat comes from??? THE SUN... we wont be having this hot temperature if not from the sun. RIGHT? we dont have to make our life complicated. you dont have to attack the product just to prove that the company is a scam. there are other vit D supplements not just the vit D, IFern have.

    P.S. FERN C is not a Vitamin D supplement. its Sodium ascorbate hence, VITAMIN C.

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    1. Who inserted heat stroke in the Vitamin D synthesis topic?
      If you write about the blinding flash of lightning, definitely the deafening loudness of thunder is out of topic.
      I dont believe you will be allergic with all those sources at once. That is just an excuse to buy Vit D supplement and make a sale instead of trying our best getting it naturally. There is nothing more healthier than getting it the natural way.

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    2. well unfortunately I am allergic to those foods. what can i do? since i was a kid, whenever I eat eggs or seafoods my whole body itches and i have rushes. and now a days whenever i accidentally ingest any of those food, somebody have to bring me to the hospital because my blood pressure will suddenly drop and i faint. if you want you may inquire with your doctor specializing in internal medicine. anyway i'm not selling vit D nor taking vit D, i havent have any symptoms of vit D deficiency. i'm just stating the facts the we, sometime in our lifetime will be needing supplements not just vit D. don't you have parents? is your mother not taking supplements? do you know that when a woman reaches the age of menopause she'll be needing calcium at the same time vit D for better absorption of calcium. do your research first before commenting. and as for the heat stroke its not about vitamin D is about exposure to the sun. try to develop your reading comprehension. :))

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    3. Again the point was allergic to "ALL" the food sources of Vitamin D. If you are allergic to egg, shrimp or crabs. how about tuna and sardines? If you are allergic to those you are the first person that I know of, Never before I encounter people that are allergic to tuna and sardines. How about beef liver? still allergic? Certain Mushrooms? still allergic? haha.. what an excuse..

      Yes, I agree, the one who mentioned heat stroke dont have comprehension. kindly trace back who mentioned it fist.. hahaha..

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    4. You mean to say thy heat strike has nothing to do with exposure to the heat of the sun? Is heat stroke caused ONLY by hot temperature besides the heat of the sun? Im not allegic with tuna but with sardines YES! Liver, high uric acid. Mushroom? I dont eat mushroom. Actually my childhood life was quite terrible, because im even allergic to heat, may it be the heat of the sun or fever. I have been to different doctors to no avail. I attended my prom with a big rush on my face and my highschool graduate with a swollen face. Very unlucky me indeed. Fortunately sometime in college they just went away except the allergy to foods. I experienced it so dont tell me that its impossible. Lucky you cause you dont have such disorder!

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    5. i dont need an excuse because im not taking vit D nor am i selling one. my point is, there will come a time that we will be needing these supplements and we are fortunate that they are readily available. some people CANNOT eat natural sources of vit D because of complications, thus they may take vit D supplement if their doctors prescribes.

      Connection of HEATSTROKE from the discussion on VIT D?=EXPOSURE to the SUN. someone mentioned, why buy these vit D supplements when we can get VIT D for free, by SUN EXPOSURE. but HOW can we expose ourselves in the heat of the sun if:...
      Department of Health:
      MANILA, March 5 ---- With summer now officially here in the country, the Department of Health (DOH) is WARNING the public against HEAT STROKE and other related diseases. In a phone interview, DOH–Emerging and Re-emerging Infectious Diseases Program Manager Dr. Lyndon Lee Suy said the public should be wary of the usual problems emerging from high temperature especially heat stroke.

      HEAT STROKE occurs when the body overheats due to hot and humid weather and TOO MUCH DIRECT EXPOSURE TO THE SUN and can’t cool down through sweat. Its symptoms include warm, flushed skin; faintness; dizziness; weakness; and headache and may lead to very high fever of 41 C; rapid heartbeat; convulsion; delirium; and unconsciousness if left untreated.

      http://www.home-harbor.com/index.php/public-home/11398-home-harbor-doh-warns-of-heat-stroke-other-related-illness

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    6. Im confused, you told me:

      "and as for the heat stroke its not about vitamin D is about exposure to the sun. try to develop your reading comprehension. :))"

      Now your telling me it make sense? haha..
      Get yourself organized! lol

      We dont need TOO MUCH DIRECT EXPOSURE TO THE SUN to get our daily dose of Vitamin D. All we need is enough exposure and make sure we are hydrated when doing it. How? Drink enough water, is that hard to do? And as we discussed there are a lot of food sources available. unfortunately for you, you have too many excuses, I mean complications, (lol)
      which we never know if its true.. hehe..

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  7. actually the question is, can the products support the company and distributors in their network marketing business? I believe in a network marketing business the product is very important and not just the marketing plan. you may have the best marketing plan but with the lousiest products i dont think you can even make a take off. the challange for Ifern is to prove us wrong. prove that with their existing products they can help other people succeed in their network marketing business.

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    1. In my opinion the products are nonsense.

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    2. In my opinion, your opinion is nonsense.

      Why would a company like DSM Switzerland (A 100 year old swiss company who is also Apple's partner, Mercedes Benz, Bentley, McDonald's, etc) produce a product that doesn't make sense?


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    3. "In my opinion the products are nonsense."


      THESE DAYS, OPINIONS DON'T COUNT. IT'S IMPORTANT YOU PROVE YOUR POINT AS NUMBERS. YOU ARE AS GOOD AS AIR.

      1) THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ENJOYING THE SUNLIGHT NATURALLY. DUE TO THE OZONE LAYER PROBLEM. SOLVE THE OZONE LAYER FIRST. BUT UNTIL THEN, YOU NEED VITAMIN D.

      2) FIND ME ANY CAPSULE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD THAT HAS COLOSTRUM MILK. COLUSTRUM MILK IS THE GOODNESS OF MILK. THE COMPONENT RESPONSIBLE FOR BRAIN DEVELOPMENT. THE ONE THAT COMES FROM BREASTFED MILK.

      3) Got nothing to say on Activ?

      4) Aurora?

      Clearly, even when there is something POSITIVE--you shut your mouth.

      THAT ONLY MEANS YOUR ONLY AGENDA IS NEGATIVE.





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    4. 1. no such thing as enjoying the sun?? kindly prove it using numbers.. hahaha..

      >tell that to the people who love summer, to the people who loves the beach, and let me introduce to you the word SUN-BATHING, sorry I dont have numbers to prove it exist.. haha..

      2. As advertised, the product is "MilkCa" mainly as a calcuim(Ca) supplement, that is why it was named as such. now your telling us it is a COLOSTRUM substitute? do you have any nymbers to prove that? haha..
      Then the name should now be changed into "MilkCol"..haha..

      >I agree COLOSTRUM is essential for infants growth and development that is why it is available "FREE" in mothers breast milk. Babies main diet is only milk, they need it.
      adults are capable to eat wide variety of foods to supplement their bodies needs.

      3&4. What about Activ and Aurora? Im looking for issues to question.. are there any for these two? :)

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  8. You are all funny!!!!

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    1. i agree.... so fun reading all the discussion...haha

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    2. Correct. Hahaha!

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  9. Para matapos yung usapan nyo, try kayo ng organic whole food na may vitamin D like spirulina. safe pa sya.

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  10. want to express my humble opinion, yung mga products po,hindi naman talaga para sa lahat, may target market ang company, and dun sila naka focus, anyway, about foods, hindi na ganon kaganda ang quality ng mga nabibili natin that's why supplements play an important role. Even yung mgastrict sa diet, meron at meron parin magiging problem, kasi ang daming factors we can't control.

    About FERN D naman, to prove if you get the daily requirement of vit d in your body, there is a blood test for that, medyo expensive lang, but that answers your question if u really get enough vit d daily. May study about it. majority ng Filipinos very low ang vit d level, of course, ang lifestyle, hindi naman ibig sabihin nasa tropical country ka na eh enough na makukuha mong vit d, how about the call center agents and mga empleyadong whole day nasa building,

    MilkCa naman, of course kung gusto ng milk na iniinom eh di hayaan nyo, but I believe this product is great. It's not just calcium, it contains all the nutrients needed by d bone. And as compared to other calcium supplements sa drug store, this is not made from limestone which can cause stone formation or kidnney stones. It's made from cow's milk, of course wala na dito yung fats na nasa drinking milk.

    Fern Activ is not complete but it's more potent. We know that issue.

    Well, 1 year na ang i-fern, and I believe with d president na kaliwa't kanan ang awards given by 3rd parties.

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  11. Hey guys! Once and for all... All networking companies (or even non-networking) will claim that their products are good and of quality. Of course, normal naman na kapag may produkto kang binebenta eh ippromote mo yun. As of FERN-D, I think it has a great market outside our country rather here kasi mas kelangan ng mga taong hindi nasisinagan ng araw ung Vit. D. na nasa softgel form for them not to have deficiencies such as Rickets and Osteomalacia. Speaking of those diseases, kaya lang naman WALANG nakasulat na NO APPROVED THERAPEUTIC CLAIM un kc nga nkakatreat xa ng Vit. D Deficiency. Yun lang un. Sa mga nagsabing nakakagaling sya ng cancer, gusto kong makilala kung sino yung napagaling. As I know, it lowers the RISK of having cancer like any other vitamins naman, kapag may enough supply ka ng vitamins, chances are you will be healthy and prevent yourself from getting sick. Kaya nga supplements tawag eh.

    About naman sa big market ng FERN-D, don't you realize even before magkaron ng FERN-D eh may vitamin D supplements na rin na mabibili outside the country? I'm sure sa mga countries na hndi nasisinagan ng araw eh may mga binebenta na dung Vit. D. Di naman tayo pioneer nun noh. Kaya nga DSM ang supplier. Pinadaan lang sa isang Filipino -owned networking company para mas mabilis mabenta yung produkto although pwde naman ibenta direcho ng DSM yan sa Pharma companies kaso kung gagawin nla un, mas malaki gastos nila sa pag aadvertise. Kaya pinapadaan nila sa networking companies.


    Another thing... Kindly Read this:

    Alternative Medicine And Natural Treatments

    The term 'alternative medicine' that is so commonly used today is somewhat unsuitable since that would seem to indicate that it is a form of treatment departing from so-called 'traditional' scientific practices and is just a possibility for a new treatment of disease.

    The truth is, so called 'alternative' medicine is the natural treatment of disease that was in effect in ancient times long before conventional medicine was ever introduced. Alternative medicine is traditional, whereas conventional medicine is relatively new and not traditional. So conventional medicine should rightly be deemed 'alternative.'

    Difference Between Alternative And Conventional

    The main difference between so-called alternative medicine and conventional medicine is that the latter is too concerned with treating the symptoms of disease by scientific techniques and technology instead of treating the whole person and the cause of disease.

    **For example, pag masakit ulo mo, iinom ka ng Pain reliver (Conventional Medicine) Minsan, di mo alam, kaya masakit ulo mo kc may mas malala ka nang karamdaman which mapprevent if you are living and eating healthy the natural way and also taking natural supplements.

    On the other hand, alternative medicine puts much emphasis upon the prevention of disease (as mentioned above), and seeks to treat the whole person so as to strengthen the immune system to bring about a sustained healing.

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  12. IS I-FERN A PYRAMIDING SCHEME OR NOT???

    MASASAGOT MO LANG YUNG TANONG NA YAN KUNG DISTRIBUTOR KA. LIKE ME, I AM A DITRIBUTOR OF I-FERN FOR 9 MONTHS NOW BUT NOT ACTIVE ANYMORE. I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTIONS HONESTLY FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE WHO ARE DECIDING TO JOIN.

    HERE'S WHAT I GOT FROM DSAP: www.dsap.ph

    How to differentiate a legitimate direct selling company from pyramiding using the 8-point Test

    1. Is there a product?
    - YES ABSOLUTELY!

    2. Are commissions paid on sale of products and not on registration/entry fees?
    - NO. THE MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME IN I-FERN IS THE FAST START COMMISSION AND TEAM SALES COMMISSION.

    3. Is the intent to sell a product not a position?
    -NO. THEY ALWAYS PUSH THE PREMIUM ACCOUNT WHICH IS WORTH (P23,625) KASI MAS MALAKI DAW KITAAN DUN. THEY ALSO HAVE THE INVESTOR TYPE PROPOSAL WHEREIN THE PROSPECT WILL BUY 21PREMIUMS WHICH IS WORTH ALMOST HALF-MILLION.

    4. Is there no direct correlation between the number of recruits and compensation?
    -NO, THERE IS. THE COMPENSATION DEEPLY RELIES ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS JOINING AND NOT MERELY ON A SINGLE BOTTLE SOLD.

    5. If recruitment were to be stopped today, will the participants still make money?
    - YES. IT COULD BE PERO PAHIRAPAN. SOBRA!!!
    IN MY EXPERIENCE, I ONLY SOLD HALF OF MY PRODUCTS. HINDI PA KO BAWI SA ININVEST KO. SLOW MOVEMENT OF PRODUCTS TO BE SOLD TO END CONSUMERS. THEY ALWAYS PUSH SA INVITE INVITE NG MGA TAO. AND EVEN IF I SOLD THEM ALL, IT WILL ONLY COMPRISE 92% OF MY INVESTMENT BECAUSE WHEN U BUY THE P23,625 WORTH OF PACKAGE AND SOLD ALL THE PRODUCTS AT RETAIL, YOU WILL ONLY GET 92%. THE 8% IS FOR TRAINING, REPLICATED WEBSITE, MARKETING MATERIALS, ETC. NA SINASABI NILANG "FREE" WHEN IN FACT KASAMA YAN SA BINAYARAN MO. KAPAG YUNG P4,500 OR P7K NAMAN, 80% WILL BE THE WORTH OF PRODUCTS SOLD AT RETAIL.

    IN OTHER WORDS, PAG NAGMEMBER KA AT GUSTO MO TALAGA KUMITA SA PRODUKTO LANG, UNANG UNA, WAG MO GAGAMITIN YUNG PRODUKTO KC MAGIGING EXPENSE MO YUN. IBENTA MO MUNA UNG PRODUCTS MO NA PAGKADAMI DAMI THEN AFTER THAT, PWEDE KA NA MAKABILI AT MEMBER'S PRICE (RE-ORDER) THEN BENTA MO AT RETAIL. MAY TUBO KA NA. EWAN KO LANG KUNG MAY NAKAGAWA NA NYAN SA I-FERN. IPAKILALA NYO AKO. ;)

    6. Is there a reasonable product return policy?
    -WHICH IS WHICH? MERON SA POLICIES AND PROCEDURES NG I-FERN NA PWDE IBALIK YUNG DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS. THAT'S NORMAL NAMAN. BUT I ALSO WATCHED YUNG VIDEO NG DSAP NA DAPAT DAW MAY RETURN POLICY PARA SA MGA PRODUCTS NA BEYOND SA PERSONAL CONSUMPTION NG MEMBER NA HINDI MO MABENTA. NONE WAS INDICATED IN I-FERN'S P&P.

    7. Do products have fair market value?
    -YES YES!!!

    8. Is there a compelling reason to buy?
    -FOR ME, EITHER A USER OR A PERSON WHO WILL DO THE BUSINESS, NO.

    IF U WANT TO BE A "USER" OF THE PRODUCT ONLY, DI BA DAPAT PAG NAGMEMBER KA AT BUMILI NG PACKAGE EH DISCOUNTED N UN KC BULK UNG BINILI MO PERO HINDI GANUN EH.

    FOR THOSE NA BUSINESS ANG PAKAY LIKE ME BEFORE, BELIEVE ME, KUNG SA SALES OF PRODUCTS LANG KAYO AASA, HINDI NYO MABABAWI PUHUNAN NYO. THAT'S THE REASON KAYA YUNG MGA MEMBER, INVITE NG INVITE, RECRUIT NG RECRUIT KC IN THAT WAY NILA MABABAWI PUHUNAN NILA NA HINDI NAMAN KC BIRO YUNG PRESYO.

    If the answer to all the questions is YES, then the company being evaluated is a legitimate company. But if the answer is NO, then there is a high probability that it is a pyramid scam.


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  13. *** IF ONE PERSON COULD BE A MILLIONAIRE IN THIS BUSINESS, A THOUSAND UNDER WILL NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT - OR THEY CAN - AFTER A THOUSAND YEARS.


    UNLESS YOU MAKE SALES OUT OF THE PRODUCTS.



    - WHICH IS THE REAL PURPOSE OF A REAL NETWORKING COMPANY.



    *** PAHABOL LANG...






    ABOUT THE 10% WITHOLDING TAX NA BINABAWAS UPON ENCASHMENT... SAN KAYA NAPUPUNTA YUN? BINABAWASAN NILA KITA NG MGA MEMBERS NG TAX SO IT'S ONLY PROPER NA IREMIT NILA YUN SA BIR IN THE NAME OF THE MEMBER. PERO...

    HINDI NAMAN HINHINGI NG COMPANY UPON SIGN UP YUNG TIN NUMBER NG MGA MAGMEMEMBER.

    HMMM... I WONDER!!!














    KAHIT GAANO PA KAGANDA ANG COMPANY...



    KAHIT GAANO PA KARAMI ANG AWARDS...


    THE REALITY IS MOST IMPORTANT.







    NOW... IT'S YOU TO DECIDE. ^_^

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    1. So, kung ikaw po ang tatanungin. Based on your experiences as an i-FERN distributor. Worth it bang sumali sa i-FERN?

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    2. If you are a full-time employee who have no other source of income but your monthly salary, it's not recommended that you do the business if your purpose is to become a millionaire. If you are only a user, it's not recommended that you buy a package because it's not the value of the money you pay for. Just look at the market of the products. The market will determine how much money you will be making. There are some good mlms here in the Phils that are offering better and unique products. You can evaluat and check out on that.

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    3. let me be clear on "If you are only a user, it's not recommended that you buy a package because it's not the value of the money you pay for." - you can buy from a distributor but not to buy the whole package to become a distributor.

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  14. Nakakatawa ka naman. Hinahanapan mo ng negativity ang i-fern. I bet your life is very negative too that's why you are looking for a negative side of i-fern. Why don't you take a look at your life first. Ayusin mo muna buhay mo bago ka manira ng iba. Just an honest thought and opinion! :)

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    1. I respect your opinion. And you are now judging my life to be very negative just because I expressed my OPINION and COMMENTS with that company. Your going too far. I-fern is not my life.(Not like yours i think). I-fern is a business like any other mlms. And there is no perfect company. Each has its flaws. If you are a business person, you have to consider the pros and cons. We are talking about business here. Every business has a goal which is to be profitable and create value to its customers.

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  15. hi
    share lng..
    nkinig aq khapon sa frontrow...
    pero it not means join aq agad..tlagang ang mga members want nila makarecruit para lng cla mgkapera....wow weekly daw cla tumatanggap ng cheque....

    bkit sabi couz ko ng attend na cya dati un at un padin ang cnasabi nla...anu ba tlaga...totoo ba kau???o niloloko nyo lng pati sarili nyo hndi lng ibng tao......

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    1. In making decisions whether to join or not on certain mlm company... First look on the company if its legal of course, then on the products and services they are offering, then the compensation plan. In this kind of industry, seminars and frequent meet ups with your team are very helpful. Study the business. Mlm is a great business!

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  16. kaya kayo wag mgpapaloko............

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    1. You should be skeptical and always remember that what you pay for is the value of the products.

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  17. dba sabi my tax pa cla...ehhhh san nila pinupunta ehh d naman cla covered ng BiR....HAHAHAHA KALOKOHAN......

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    1. MLMs are covered by BIR ruling. Their tax is called Creditable Witholding Tax which is 10%. You can check in BIR site but that tax they withheld should be remitted to the BIR. They should issue official receipts when making sales but they do not.

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    2. Covered ang I-fern Inc. ng BIR. Kung hindi sila covered ng BIR then hindi sila puwedeng mag operate sa Pilipinias at baka dati eh pinahuli na sila sa mga authority kung hindi sila covered ng BIR. Hindi ako I-fern Inc. member pero gusto ko ang direct selling, i like it. LEGAL po ang I-fern Inc. sa Pilipinas. Maging matalino po tayo at maging observant. Maging responsibile po tayo sa mga issue na binabato natin sa ibang tao or company. As a blogger dapat kung may topic tayo na gusto ilahad make sure na hindi ito sana bias. Be RESPONSIBLE enough. Kung gusto natin malaman ang true story sa nireresearch nating direct selling company eh we should experience paano pumasok sa circle of life ng ibina blog natin para hindi po tayo timawa. Walang natuto sa tingen lang. We learn by doing for us to understand. Kase somebody might fuck us up if we tell lies of any sort.

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    3. Yes, no bias and regarding the tax in BIR. It is in our initiative and common sense to know the basic that all of the business in the Philippines the are distributed nationwide has a responsibility of paying taxes. If not the company itself will not last long and will face cases in the trial court because of that. I'm disappointed that there are people who don't know the Philippine Act. Better read for ignorance will lead you to being deceive.

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  18. How come nobody knows about these products except us Filipinos? Kala ko internationally known siya, I can't find any decent reviews, their website is a 1 page poster with no information at all. Even this thread is a joke!

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    1. I believe your mistaken. As what I have known I-Fern is an emerging company. From the word emerging which means evolving, to rise and become manifest. As what I have read in other comments this company is new like 2 years since it was built and as I researched they are still working into it. You misunderstood and that comment is something to be posted of someone who knew little and unacquainted that will lead to ignorance. That's why I've been saying that study first before busting critics.

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  19. They held events with free food to attract people. Its a bait so better think twice. They will convinced you that you can be rich by selling products. But totally not. Here's the thing Unless you invest the premium account which is cost you more than 20thousand pesos. Crucial part these premium accounts who are only have the oppurtunity to earn more. There only job is to recruit more. Lets say they get twenty people at once. That twenty people they recruited are the there downlines. All these downlines are their workers to sell the products. These poor people only earn coins while the top of the pyramid is sitting pretty waiting for commision they getting from there downlines. This is a scam they will trick you just to convinced you. These people dont have conscience. I wrote this just giving you heads up. But its still up to you. Think smart.

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    1. hahaha!!Well if that's the case then the downlines should better work also in order for them to sit pretty like the top. Maybe, people will experiece hardships before getting to the top right? Bill Gates and other renowned business man is sitting pretty though not totally and they let other work for them.Hiring intelligent and capable people and just pay them. So, what's the difference in your statement? May I know?

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  20. Langya mga pinoy talaga, bec of MLM suddenly lahat naging expert sa Medisina!! Hahaha! I mean bakit hindi nalang ako sa Mercury drug pumunta at least nag aral mga Pharmacist dun ng 4 years regarding sa effect ng drugs and vitamins sa katawan. SO mas okay ba bumili kay aling Linda na Fern-C and makinig sa lecture nya about Alkaline gayung part time labandera sya? Nothing against her job but im just saying? Mas maganda ata sa experts nalang tayo pumunta ano po? Kaysa kung kayni kanino MLM drugs is like one of the worst out there when it comes to this type of business at least yung iba nanakawan ka lang ito lalasunin ka pa! Hahahah!

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  21. Well, as for me I have read some of the comments above but what I will sat now is it will depend if BFAD will approve the product as well as Halal(for muslim friends). Also, we have to research if the DSM and Glanbia were really the suppliers of the product. I believe that those were also the suppliers of Coca-Cola, Phizer, and many more. If it is proven that the supplies of I-Fern comes from there then I will not doubt. Besides, our BFAD will never let out a product in a market if it will cause harm to the people. Lastly, I know a little about the backgrounds of networkin if it is Scum or not. I believe that not all of network marketing are scam mentioning USANA (an international corporation) and the UNO. I believe they already have sponsored lots of programs and etc. I just want to say that better be silent if you know little than to say crude things because it will just make you shameful and a laughable stuff. I guess we don't have to worry because if the Fern Corp. lacked something in their product then it was already banned for the past years. Everything depends in the testimonies of people like if they like fern products because its effective or they don't like it. We can survey it and compare the numbers of people who say positive and negative afterall it is the same as the saying" Don't judge your beauty but let others say it to you and that will be the truth" Practically, if a person will tell the truth then she/he is truthful but if thay tell a lie they're just insecure and do everything to make others fall. This issue can't be avoided especially in business world but let's just see in the coming years.TESTIMONIES.

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  22. SEARCH ALL THE DETAILS BEFORE YOU REACT...... PROVE TO YOURSELF.

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  23. I will just sum this up into 2 words.
    CRAB MENTALITY.
    A mental sickness of the Filipinos.

    It's a sad fact.

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  24. THIS SEEMS TO BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY

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  25. I have a friend once member of this scamming business. yes you can earn money but it wasnt that stable. The incom wasnt great enough to sustain your needs. Do you think on your dailylife you can sell products nor recruit people? Not all people doesnt have a silver tongue by the way. So its up to you if you want to risk your life or you dont have concience at all just for the sake of money. Just saying.

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